The Record Junkies Punk Rock Show!

John Ross Bowie and Brendan Smith, aka THE RECORD JUNKIES, respond to Rolling Stone Magazine's "100 Greatest Punk Albums" list with their own picks. 

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SPEAKER_02 0:22

Hi, it's your friend Brendan Smith. And it is your friend John Ross Bowie. And we are the record junkies. And on May 18th, 2026, a brand new bit of rage bait came out on the internet in the form of Rolling Stones, the 100 Greatest Punk Albums of All Time list. Now, I'm an older man now. I'm not as uh I'm not as I'm not gonna bite on this rage bait necessarily, but we have opinions here at the record junkies. We have opinions. Um, and it's um there's some complicated um there's some complicated stuff surrounding this list. Uh we're gonna focus on uh surprise inclusions, um omissions, and uh things that we're very excited to see uh included uh uh just and that makes sense to us. Um we'll go right to the very uh we'll we'll go to the top of uh the list as you read it, which is not the number one spot, but number 100 belongs, and this is kind of a pleasant surprise, to DRI, dirty rotten imbeciles, thrash gods from Texas. Now, DRI don't get spoken about quite as much as they probably should. Because DRI, okay, I am you're already laughing at me, Brendan, and I don't blame you. Um it's gonna get so much worse before it gets better, my friend.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

This is your this is your this is your wheelhouse. We did a maiden show, which was my wheelhouse. This is definitely your wheelhouse. So I just love that you start with number 100 and you're like, DRI, you gotta you gotta get into DRI.

SPEAKER_02 2:08

I love it. Well, I'm I'm impressed though, because DRI, what DRI, a couple things about DRI. Um, DRI came out of the gate with a really straightforward hardcore thrash record. And then as they evolved, they became a little more metal, and there's nothing that infuriates the punk rock faithful more than an increase in technique. And as such, they were sort of not ostracized, but you know, they they were they were sort of taken out of the running for uh they were no longer considered like a pure punk band because they had gone a little more metal. Um, and I'm gonna stay out of that debate, but this first record is really fun. It was the first record of theirs that I heard. Um, I feel like a guy named Carl DeMico played this for me in high school. And I hope Carl's okay. I wonder where Carl is. Anyway, it's got a song on it called I'd Rather Be Sleeping, which is uh just a great straight-ahead uh punk rock banger um with a like a fast verse, slow chorus kind of thing. Um really, really delightful to see dirty rotten imbeciles included on this list, even in the bottom spot. But I think there's something kind of great about being like at the very bottom of a list like this, because it's the first thing people see. You know, they they do it in ascending order. So you if you want to, you can be somewhere in the 40s like Mission of Burma, or you can be 100 DRI, and boom, we're talking about them.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

I feel like we could pitch a movie called I Hope Carl D'Amico is okay. Or whatever happened to Carl D'Amico. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:46

Yeah. He's not on uh he's not on the Book of Faces, so I don't know. Um, but he was a um he was sort of a uh him and this this Hungarian kid named Enver were kind of the first couple kids who like made uh mixtapes for me of punk rock as I was getting into the Ramones and getting into my own stuff. These are the guys who introduced me to DRI and Minor Threat and Seven Seconds and Um and Deeper Cuts. Um Carl Domico played me wire. Um uh that was it was really fun. What was something that leapt out of now? I realize that you're um you're very eclectic, Brendan. Punk rock is probably not your primary instrument, but was there something that was a pleasant surprise to to find on the list?

SPEAKER_01 4:32

You know, I wouldn't say pleasant surprise uh because there's so many punk rock records and there's so many incredible bands and so many releases, and they sort of fudged the line of like punk rock and heavy alternative rock a little bit. You know, I was surprised to see Why are so high, pink flag. Yeah, I was surprised to see that like kudos to them, but you know, the 29-year-old editor, or maybe a team of 29-year-old editors that put this list together. Yeah, like it to me it wasn't about the surprises, it was more about the omissions. I was so happy that who's girdle Zen Arcade was so high because that is a that is a critical record for me.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

Is it really? Where were you when you when you um absolutely Zen Arcade's interesting because it's it's very much punk rock trying to do their Tommy? Um it's a double concept album by the the the thrash gods of Minneapolis who who were deft at uh at not just not just you know hitting really hard, but having incredible hooks over everything as well. What what when did Zen Arcade come into your life?

SPEAKER_01 5:47

Zen Arcade came into my life right before I went, like as soon as I discovered the replacements, so like 84.

SPEAKER_02 5:55

Okay, great.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

And the way that I used to listen to music back then was I was aware of scenes. I was comp as I was as I was growing out of my love of Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Dio Ozzy, and starting to get into more alternative music, uh crossing over the great ice bridge that's built by the Ramones and Motorhead. Right, okay. I love well put that gets you from one side of the river to the other.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

Um, I discovered the replacements first. So then I was, of course, totally curious about Minneapolis. Right. And then that took me to Husker Doo, obviously. Um, and I I mean, to be f I mean, full confession, I mean Flip Your Wig was my first intro to Hoosker Doo. Mine too, which could have been on this list. If you're gonna put Slater Kenny dig me out on this list, I feel like Flip Your Wig should be on list of uh, you know, it could even replace Zen Arcade. But I I love the Ronus of Zen Arcade. Land Speed Record is another incredible Hoosker Doo record that is not on this punk rock list, made by probably a group of 29-year-olds.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

Um, you know, the rage bait for me, just a quick tangent, the rage bait for me is the inclusion of so many sort of modern punk rock records because I'm I feel like you gotta stay in the I got I feel like you gotta stay in the bubble of the Aridge. That's just my strong opinion. That's where the rage bait gets me. Um so I mean, we're kind of all over the place, but that's so there, so I was more taken by the omissions, which I felt were omitted because they wanted to include more modern bands like Paramour and Turnstyle.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

So it's interesting. I mean, I anytime you you create a 100 best of anything, you really do have to consider the records that have stood the test of time. Yes. And we have absolutely no way of really knowing if turnstyle and idols are going to be listened to and spoken of so fondly in 10 years. Yes. Um, having said that, um, I enjoy both of those bands and was pleasantly surprised to see them there. Paramour pushing it a little bit. I would I mean, I obviously they've got their roots in punk rock, um, uh if you don't always hear it necessarily. Um, and I'm all for expanding the parameters of what we call punk rock. I was excited to see the pogs, rhymesotomy and the lash on the list. Yeah. That was a nice surprise. Um, Slater Kenny, um, Dig Me Out is a is a really good record. Um, I and right now, as we record, they are on tour with Fred Armison as a uh as a Ramones cover band called The Return of Jackie and Judy. So the punk rock cred is strong in uh in those in those folks.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

100%. But is it number five? I don't know that it's number five.

SPEAKER_02 8:55

I don't know that it's number five. I usually I do not know that it's number five, especially, and here is where we get into some omissions. Yes. I agree. I would have put Flip Your Wig, I would have actually replaced Zen Arcade with Flip Your Wig, just in terms of which album I go back to more often. Yeah. Double albums in general are a risky thing with me. Whatever. Um, I'm throwing London Callings there. Um, obviously, I am a broken record. I'm a caricature of myself, wither the Dickies. Why are the Dickies not on this list? Why are San Fernando Valley's incredible in your notes? Um, why are if you're gonna put if you're gonna put Green Day and Rancid on there, bands that clearly grew up listening to the Dickies, come on, man. Um, I I feel like I just feel like on man. No one bed up, like if the Ramones are great, obviously. The Ramones take, you know, melodic hard melodic punk rock and they and they invent a genre, but in terms of like the soaring harmonies that recall the Beatles, it starts with the Dickies, and uh, and I'll allow for the buzzcock. Um, so I'm surprised the Dickies aren't there. I don't know that I would have necessarily put it's just blasphemy. I know. Am I gonna put Nirvana on that list?

SPEAKER_01 10:22

I don't know. Right, because I don't know. There's no Pixies, there's no Dinosaur Jr., there's no Sonic Youth. There's no Sonic Youth.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

You gotta no Sonic Youth on this, but you are gonna put Nirvana, and that's an interesting choice, right? Um, yeah, I I I the Nirvana record, obviously, you know, it it's a it's a really, really good record. Um, and it sounds great. Um, and it was punk rock with a budget behind it, so it's got a big, thick sound, you know, even before it was remastered, it's a sounds, it's a good sounding record. It's yeah, I want to say Butch Vig uh producing. So the drums are thunderous and the guitars have teeth, and it's a really it it's it's a great piece of work. Is it a punk rock record? Is it a little too slow to be a punk rock record? I hate to ask.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

Yeah, I mean, if it's it's it it's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 11:17

I mean, obviously, again, if you're a 29-year-old editor at Rolling Stone and you're if you're a 29-year-old editor at Rolling Stone, I thank you for just having the wherewithal to enter this conversation at all. I salute you absolutely and again, I'm too old for actual rage bait. I will not bite. Yes. Uh, and I uh I I salute you for venturing into this conversation, uh, having been born in the 90s.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

However, Bleach is more of a punk rock record for Nirvana. If you're gonna if you're gonna go down that road. Whatever. Fine.

SPEAKER_02 11:51

It's the it's the indie record, it's the one that's on sub pop.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

Absolutely. Yeah and they completely come out of that scene in the mid to late eighties that grew out of replacements, whose crew do, Sonic Youth, Pixies, um Fugazi. Yep. Happy that Repeater was on there.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

Yeah, Repeater had to be. There's at least two records uh that we have done on the show. Um, because I know we've done Repeater, and I feel like there's another one in here. Did we do Ramones, Ramones, which by the way, is number one. Is number one, yeah. No, we did um we did end of the century, which is nobody's it is it's very few people's favorite record. Um, I'm very fond of it because I wrote a play about its making, and and it's a uh it's such a fascinating piece of work because Phil Spector produced it, etc. etc. Um, oh, also here's a um here's a cardinal sin you don't do. Um, and this is this I am absolutely going to call them out on. Um you don't put a greatest hits compilation on a best of who am I talking about? Talking about the Buzzcocks. I'm talking about the Buzzcocks singles going steady, which it's right there in the title. Right there in the title, it's that it's a singles, it's a singles compilation that is not an album. It is cheating to put that record. Now, granted, it's the it's probably their biggest seller, fine, but we're not talking about that, are we? We're talking qualitatively, you it's it's cheating. Yes, Standing on the Beach by the Cure is a great record because it's the best songs off their first five records. Come on, man. Um, anyway.

SPEAKER_01 13:31

I'm surprised using that criteria. I'm surprised they didn't put compact snap by the jam. I know, right? Right? Yeah, that's that's where you go. Could have put the first jam record, but then um did it. But yeah, you can't do that. I wrote that on my notes. You can't do a compilation record. You really can't, man.

SPEAKER_02 13:50

Um it's it's just a it's a it's a it's a weird sheet, and I I really um I frown on it. Um a couple of other surprises I'd like to talk about that were um that were pleasant to see. Um it was nice to see uh Washington, D.C.'s Rights of Spring, from which sprang um Fugazi. That was Guy Push Gy Pushioto's first band, or his first band at release records anyway. And they are often considered the first emo band. Um and it was um, you know, when when I have a conversation with my son, who I love very much, who is prone to saying things like the getup kids invented emo, I do have to take him aside and explain certain things to him. So it was nice to see Rights of Spring in there. Pleasantly surprised to see New York Hardcore's um sick of it all on there. There's I don't know, I might have put other New York hardcore if you're gonna include New York Hardcore, would it be Agnostic Front and Sick of It All? I don't know. Maybe Agnostic Front were were first and loudest, certainly. Um I might have switched them out with Youth of Today, who were the the big New York straight edge band at the time. Um I might have actually I was Gorilla Biscuits on the list. I don't think Gorilla Biscuits made the list. I do not believe they made the list. And that album is is great. It is it's it's the it's maybe now Murphy's Law is the most fun hardcore record of of that scene. But uh uh Gorilla Biscuits Start Today is a uh is a a really melodic, interesting piece of work where incidentally they cover uh they cover the Buzzcocks on it. They cover sitting around at home. Um but yeah, so um I there's a lot to discuss about this. Um what was something that um what was something that made perfect sense to you in terms of its placement, its inclusion?

SPEAKER_01 15:51

Well, I I'm not gonna argue with number one. Ramones Ramones is I mean, it is just so it's such an important record. It's not just an important record for punk rock, but it's uh it's a it's an important record for rock and roll. It really is, yeah. It's one of the greatest debut records of all time. I like any genre. I mean, I'm inclined to agree. Yeah. Oh my god, it's top to bottom. It completely blew up in the UK. Yeah. Which begat so many of our favorite bands as well. Um I'm just so happy about that. I was happy to see the Minutemen so high on the list. Yeah. Double nickels on the dime, another double record. That's super high. It's in the top ten, which I thought was cool. X-ray top five. It is it's I think it's number three. It is, yeah. X-ray specs, fantastic record. Um, is it number two of all time? You know, I don't know. Um I will say this the two big omissions for me, you said it, the Dickies. Sham69. Oh, yeah. Sham69 from the UK, not didn't make the top 100. I think what a great band. So many incredible, uh sort of iconic songs that they released that didn't make it over here, but you know, could just get 10,000 Brits on their feet and screaming and chanting along. Um I felt like they needed to be there. My biggest thing was where they placed some of sort of my favorites. Like I really feel like the damned, the debut record, or even machine gun etiquette, but the damned debut record has got to be in the top 10 because it's such a great record. And it also, you know, it's foundational. To me, it's foundational because it also like opened the door a little bit for humor as well.

SPEAKER_02 17:47

Or a little in Britain, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

Yeah. So, you know, I I wanted them to be higher. I was so happy that the Circle Jerks group sex was at number 50. I would have put it way, way higher.

SPEAKER_02 17:59

I was surprised to see it that low as well. Yeah. Yeah. That's a really um that's a really fun record and a really I mean if you're gonna do an LA punk list, it's in the top three. Oh yeah. With it's in there with Black Flag Damaged and uh Red Cross, maybe Red Cross, Red Cross? Maybe, yeah. It was nice to see Red Cross in there. That was fun. But yeah, uh I can't stop talking about the first Ramones record. Yeah. It is one of those records that is a it it launches a thousand bands. You know, it's one of those records where if you bought that record, chances are at one point or another you started a band. I know I did, and a lot of people heard the simplicity of that record and said, Okay, I can do that. And especially when you put it in the in the context of 1976, where it's the height of like prog rock and singer-songwriter, which was not necessarily something that everybody could do. You know, so if you put it next to um Tarchio and Jim Croce, you're in you're you've really you're you've got a real outlier here that makes it possible for people who have something to say and a certain amount of energy to still put music out there. And there is a beautiful quote from Tommy, David Frick wrote the piece. Um, and David Frick is not 29. David Frick has been around for a while. He is uh he is uh the the grand uh grand old man of Rolling Stone rock criticism, and he quotes um uh Tommy Ramone from an interview from 1999 about how the album was produced, eliminate the unnecessary and focus on the substance. Which you can say about the first couple Dylan records, you know, you can say it about the first couple Elvis records. I mean, it is a spare, concise piece of work that has a singular sound that has been copied so many times, it it is useless to count. Its influence can't be overstated.

SPEAKER_01 20:01

Oh, yeah, it can't be overstated, and and it still lives to this day. I mean, that's like the legacy of the Ramones is I mean, they're just one of the most important bands of all time. I have a fun theory about successful bands. And and maybe I've mentioned it before, but I don't know if I have. Bands that really pop are bands that even a regular fan can identify all members of the band as if they're like sort of like characters in a movie or characters in a comic book. And and the Ramones are a part, like the Beatles are the best example of that. Led Zeppelin is another example of that. U2 is a great example of that. But I also feel like the Ramones had that, and just I don't know if they just uh damned, first lineup of the damned. Well, I mean, Captain Sensible is one of the greatest characters in in rock, period. Yeah. Um love can't love them more. Um, and and also uh, you know, as long as we're talking about the damned, if you have a chance to go see the damned when they come back to the States later on this year, do not miss going. Do not miss the damned. They're great live. They are fake. They are great.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

Dave kills it, so fun.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Captain Kills It, um, Paul Gray in the band. Ratzgabies back on drums after a million years out of the band. It they're so fun and so great and so joyous.

SPEAKER_02 21:24

And they're weird little keyboardists who joined the uh band later, but were like really kicks in for Eloise and stuff like that. He's great too. I can't remember.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

Who is in Pearu, correct? Wasn't that guy in Pearubu for two seconds? I might be wrong.

SPEAKER_02 21:36

He might have been. I I I I Perubu are a uh are a gap in my um in my knowledge. I have to I have to confess to never having been a huge fan, um uh I respect them immensely. I just never really got into them. So he you might be correct about that. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some overlap.

SPEAKER_01 21:54

Because I think he also played for two seconds in the Pixies, in the sort of like, you know, uh the The mid-period of the Pixies when they would go on tour. Might be wrong. The other thing that I wanted to say about the Circle Jerks is that they're killing it too. They are having an unbelievable renaissance out there in the world. They have been touring consistently for the last few years. We saw them at the Palladium completely sold out. The lead singer of the Circle Jerks. As we record this last night, getting into it in the middle of a show in Vegas with two Nazi punks, middle-aged Gen X Nazi punks, who made their way to the front of the stage and started screaming at him. And Keith Morris, I would never want to be on Keith Morris's bad side. I've had the great pleasure of interviewing him. He's the best guy. He knows where all the bodies are buried in Los Angeles. And these guys are telling him to fuck off because of his politics. And he just goes to town on these guys and they get shouted out of the venue. All the videos from many different angles are out there right now. So if you have a chance to who do you who do you think you're yelling at?

SPEAKER_00 23:18

And he said, he literally said, What what they were telling your lyrics, you know, he's like you're you're a traitor or something. What do you think you've been listening to? And he says, Next time we come to town, stay home.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

I could do that going there.

SPEAKER_00 23:35

I could do Keith. I worked at Millie's on Sunset, you know, and people would come in on all the silver leg hipsters and never tip.

SPEAKER_02 23:45

Yep. Yep. Yep. He did. Yeah, he was working at Millie's for a really long time. Um he was AN, he was an AR guy for a while for a major. He's had a fascinating career. He is an elder statesman of punk rock. They are touring with three-quarters of the original lineup. Their drummer dropped out, but it's still Greg Xander and Keith up there. Um, you can see three-quarters of who played on group sex if you see them live, and there are many chances to see. They just played Ventura the other night with Gorilla Biscuits in Seven Seconds. I would have liked to have seen Seven Seconds on this list. I would have if we're gonna include the kind of indie rock represented by Slater Kinney, we're Super Chunk. Would have liked to have seen Super Chunk. Because those first couple of albums are defiantly punk rock records. Yeah. Defiantly punk rock records. And um, if you're gonna include stuff like Slater Kinney and gentler stuff like the modern lovers, then you really do owe it to yourself to have included Super Chunk. I'd like to think somebody fought for them in the room.

SPEAKER_01 24:45

Um, I I would I was happy that they had replacements. Sorry, Ma forgot to take out the trash, their debut record.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

Um, but given their criteria, I would have also put Let It Be on this list of 100 greatest punk rock records. I mean, that's that's a nerd debate. Is Let It Be replacements a punk rock record? You know, is phase shifter by Red Cross a punk rock record?

SPEAKER_02 25:10

Oh, it's such a great rock record. I know that.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

Could have been included on the on the list, just given their weird criteria for what made it. Yeah. Um, but that's all. I mean, I was happy that the replacements were on there. They were pretty, they were sort of mid in the in the list, but that's okay. They never get the full respect that they deserve. Uh also, quick tangent. I just saw this before we started recording. Tommy Stinson just met Bruce Springsteen. Oh, that's fun. Yes, and they took a photo together. I was like mind blown, two of my favorite things in the whole world.

SPEAKER_02 25:42

I have Springsteen must be a replacements fan.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

I well, in the photo, Tom and Tommy on Instagram acknowledges meeting Springsteen and how awesome it was, and he gave Springsteen a Slim Dunlop record. I don't cry. Know what moved him to do that, but you see Bruce holding the Slim Dunlop record. Slim who was in who replaced Bob Stinson in the replacements as a guitarist, and put out a couple really amazing solo records. Um, so I don't know what moved Tommy to give Bruce uh the Dunlop record, but he did, and they had a nice moment. And um Yeah, I mean I I bet that little Steven was like, This is Tommy Stinson, he's in the replacements, one of the most important bands, Bruce Dabas. Um, I would imagine.

SPEAKER_02 26:26

Um one quick inclusion I forgot to mention that I was pleasantly surprised to see. Um, Team Dresh, who were a great queer core band from uh the Pacific Northwest, um uh inspired a bunch of great bands. Um, uh Tribe Eight, um, you could probably trace Bad Cop Bad Cop down to uh them. Um and it was very nice to see that kind of representation on this list. And yeah, Team Drush are one of those those bands that made a lot of other bands feel safe and involved in the scene in a really cool way. Um they uh and that record uh personal best, which is a sort of a sly nod to uh the lesbian uh Olympian movie uh that Paul Schrader made, is um it's a good record. It's a really good record with some great songs and some some real some real kick-ass playing on it. Um but yeah, it's it's so um it's it's a very interesting list, and I'm I'm frustrated and I am uh engaged and there's again like pair uboos on here. I don't know them that well. I will go check out that record. Um I do you put the yeah, yeah, yeah, fever to tell on and omit super chunk? No pocky for kitty? I don't know, man. You do not. I do not think you do. I'm sorry. I do not think you do. Um uh nice to see uh No FX, who are just total workhouses, workhorses, and also have really funny album titles. Um uh Punk and Drublick is a great album title. It is not as good an album title as Heavy Petting Zoo, but um it's also uh Song for Song a better album. Um so uh that's really fun. But yeah, I think the bookends of a surprise inclusion of uh Texas Hardcore Heroes DRI and what is really probably one of the most important records ever made in any genre, the Ramones, Ramones. Um I think it's a good list. I think it's a good list, and I think it's gonna just the fact that it's igniting debate and discussion is a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

That's right. I that's agreed because it's standing the test of time. There are some phenomenal punk rock records that were made in the 70s that are still amazing to listen to this day. I I would have had the first Stooges record rather than Funhouse, but that's just me, or Raw Power over, or Raw Power over Funhouse. That's just raw power over Funhouse, too. You're right. Yeah. But that's just me. But yeah, you're I think you're right. It is good that we're having this debate. It's good that we were, you know, bumped by some of the things and the the and the order of things. That's always going to be the case. It's why they do these lists in the first place, to get people talking about them, to get all the music podcasts out there dissecting this list. Um but yeah, would us would have liked to see our friends Red Cross a little higher rather than in the 90s, but that's okay. I mean, another critically important band, especially for Los Angeles. Um, the list also made me realize like so many great bands have come from California. It's just such an awesome wait, hang on, there's another sin.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

Uh-oh. Tell me. Number 35, the Misfits, Misfits. That's the greatest hits comp. That's a box set. You can the Legacy of Brutal. Put Walk Among Us. Just put Walk Among Us on there. Walk Among Us is a K-Tel record of punk rock hits. It is just one banger. There is no skips on that record. You just put that on there. You don't put this massive two-disc compilation that puts everything Glenn Danzig ever farted out. Come on, guys. Yeah. You can't this is sloppy. You can't do the compilation. You can't, you can't, you can't. I will insist, you cannot.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

Did KTEL put out a punk rock classics album back in the day?

SPEAKER_02 30:34

Well, yes, they put out a record. They did put out a punk record, but it is um it it includes a great deal of new wave, uh, including um Don't Dream It's Over by Crowded House, which is a beautiful song, but is nobody's idea of punk rock. Um, so yeah, there if you you can find the commercial for the K-Tel Punk Rock record, and I'll put it on the Patreon because it is hilariously ill-advised. Um speaking of that, it's Susie Su's birthday today. I know. I did notice that. She is uh up top, 69 years old, and um uh I um uh I will go listen to Hong Kong Garden and um actually, you know what? I'm gonna I'm gonna crank her cover of Dear Prudence because I love that cover. Love and avoid. Yep, good stuff, man.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

Good stuff, okay. John, I'm so glad that we jumped on to do this little thing. We had notes, we had thoughts. We had notes and we had thoughts. You have a Who's Kerdo shirt on? You got a damn shirt on.

SPEAKER_02 31:35

Yeah, you got a damn shirt on. Yeah, we are uh we are in our corners, we're doing our thing here. Um, yeah, I'm really glad you um I'm really glad we took to the airwaves about this incredibly uh important issue.

SPEAKER_01 31:46

I knew that you would have some thoughts. Bottom line. So that's why I said we got to jump on and do this. So until the next, I think it's time to pull the van into the garage.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

Absolutely. Yeah, we're not this is not a train in the station. This is the van goes into the garage.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

Right. A van that may or may not have lost a wheel uh somewhere between Fresno and Sacramento.

SPEAKER_02 32:12

I know the shock absorbers are completely fucking shot if they were ever there to begin with.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

I mean, how did we make it from Ventura back to Costa Mesa?

SPEAKER_02 32:21

Yeah, sheer luck. Sheer dumb luck, Brendan. Yes, okay. Till the next time. See you fuckers in the pit.